Published on June 1, 2005 By sushiK In Current Events
Bring back Corporal Punishment

Teens won't be charged in school bus fight
Fracas with driver caught on videotape
Wednesday, June 1, 2005 Posted: 11:16 AM EDT (1516 GMT)

CNN

PUNTA GORDA, Florida (AP) -- No charges will be filed against two teenagers whose fight with a school bus driver was caught on videotape and broadcast nationwide.

Prosecutor Stephen B. Russell said in a statement Tuesday that the case against the boys could not be proven.

"After reviewing all of the evidence, including the entire 15-minute videotape of the incident, we cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that either of the juveniles violated a criminal law," Russell said. "While the actions of the juveniles were disrespectful, rude, and profane, their behavior needs to be addressed by their parents and the school district."

A fight broke out May 17 when driver Albert Taylor told a 13-year-old boy to put his seat belt on and the boy's 15-year-old stepbrother cursed Taylor. Taylor then slapped the older boy and grabbed his throat, the video shows. The 15-year-old is seen pushing and punching the 66-year-old bus driver.

The stepbrothers were arrested on felony assault on a school official, punishable by up to five years in a juvenile justice center. Attorney Russell Kirshy said his clients are pleased that prosecutors declined to pursue the case.

"These boys are the victims and they have been from day one," Kirshy said. "The fact they got arrested was a mistake. That's clear."

The boys could still face disciplinary action from the school district. Taylor remains charged with battery, a misdemeanor.

Lawyer Mark De Sisto said Taylor was acting in self-defense and that should be covered by state law allowing personnel to use "hands-on" discipline in a matter of safety for other students, unless it is excessive force or unusually cruel punishment.

If convicted of battery, Taylor could face up to a year in prison. He is on paid suspension from the Charlotte County School District.


Bring back corporal punishment and let these two kids be the first in line.
Since parents have dropped the ball and no longer discipline their own kids and feel that is is best for society to do it, then I say bring back Corporal Punishment.

Kids have no fear any more acting out against other members of society since there are no Reprocussions!
Maybe Singapore has it right with it's Caning punishments


Comments
on Jun 01, 2005
Every so often, you hit the nail on the head, sushi. You did it this time. Good show!
on Jun 01, 2005

Damn it Gid,
Don't blow my mind and agree with me now!
:lol
on Jun 01, 2005

I think that discipline should start at home.  But that being said, if those were my children, I would want the school to smack them on the rear with a yard stick.  Only.

Cause they would get a lot worse when they got home!

on Jun 01, 2005

As much as i am in shock that we all agree on this matter,

Wouldn't Corporal punishment fall under an Authoritarian Government?
I, which most of you know, gravitate towards this darker side of gov,
but aren't most of you against an Authoritarian Big Gov and therefore have you turned to the dark side????
on Jun 01, 2005
sushi,

I'm a minarchist, not an anarchist. When the government does interfere, its actions should be real and meaningful...and corporal punishment drives the point home pretty effecticely.

There's an old saying "your rights end where my nose begins". These kids crossed the line, and it is up to those in charge to clearly demonstrate that their actions will not be tolerated. Ideally, yes, this should be done by the parents, but the parents in this case have clearly demonstrated their unwillingness to do their duty.

My solution? Have the bus driver cane them in front of the same video camera, then have his lawyer argue that they couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that he violated crimional law. Of course, the Arrogant Commies Lawyers Union would have a field day with this!
on Jun 01, 2005
When the government does interfere, its actions should be real and meaningful...and corporal punishment drives the point home pretty effecticely.


I do agree but i guess i am agruing just for the sake of arguing but...

These actions being real and meaningful are a point of view, what would make this new law more right than say a law Banning pitbulls?
I am not trying to stoke an old fire here but meaningful laws are meaningful to some and offensive to others

I would like to see a Caning Law, and would stand by it even if it were my kids Asses on the line (oops)
on Jun 01, 2005
A fight broke out May 17 when driver Albert Taylor told a 13-year-old boy to put his seat belt on and the boy's 15-year-old stepbrother cursed Taylor. Taylor then slapped the older boy and grabbed his throat, the video shows. The 15-year-old is seen pushing and punching the 66-year-old bus driver.


From what this says, it appears as though the boys were defending themselves. True, they shouldn't have cursed the driver, but the driver definitely shouldn't have attacked the kids.

And as to bringing back Corporal Punishment...Hell no! Unless the kid poses a threat, then use reasonable force to restrain him.
on Jun 01, 2005

And as to bringing back Corporal Punishment...Hell no! Unless the kid poses a threat, then use reasonable force to restrain him.


I'm sorry but this is the kind of attitude that hs gotten America in the mess with it's children that it's in now! Back when I was in school if we had said what these kids said, we would have been smacked in the mouth too. And then we would have gotten a spanking from Dad when he found out!
on Jun 01, 2005
These actions being real and meaningful are a point of view, what would make this new law more right than say a law Banning pitbulls?


Fair question. Here's my answer.

A law banning pitbulls punishes the innocent along with the guilty. It preassumes guilt from the majority of pit bull owners who are not brainless idiots that abuse and fail to properly care for their animals. A law allowing for corporal punishment establishes AFTER THE FACT punishment standards.
on Jun 01, 2005
From what this says, it appears as though the boys were defending themselves. True, they shouldn't have cursed the driver, but the driver definitely shouldn't have attacked the kids.


And why should this 66 year old man have to endure the taunts from these "children".
Granted he blew his top, but i am sick and tired of kids lighting everyones fuse then hiding behind lawyers knowing no one can touch them

Big assumption here but I bet these parents aren't the least bit upset with their kids and how they acted to the bus driver. "Ohh how dare he put his hands on my innocent child..."

Publicy Cane the Kids in question then turn around and Cane the parents TWICE as hard
on Jun 01, 2005
A law banning pitbulls punishes the innocent along with the guilty. It preassumes guilt from the majority of pit bull owners who are not brainless idiots that abuse and fail to properly care for their animals. A law allowing for corporal punishment establishes AFTER THE FACT punishment standards.


Well said .... thinks about it....

Hmmm Makes sense i agree
on Jun 26, 2005
I have to agree. Corporal punishment is tried and true. I was spanked as child and now I am grateful my parents did. I've seen the results when children don't associate misbehaving with punishment, and it's disgusting.
on Jun 26, 2005
I have to agree. Corporal punishment is tried and true. I was spanked as child and now I am grateful my parents did. I've seen the results when children don't associate misbehaving with punishment, and it's disgusting.


RIGHT ON!!!! I agree 110% on this.